Christians for Economic Justice

Previously called Christianity Uncut

‘Jesus didn’t lead like this’: Act of witness at Holy Trinity Brompton

Join Christianity Uncuters this afternoon – Tuesday 14th May – in an act of witness at Holy Trinity, Brompton.

More info here https://www.facebook.com/events/193868040761889/?notif_t=plan_user_invited

Info from facebook event:

‘Holy Trinity Brompton have their “Leadership Conference” this week. They’ve got an impressive range of guests…but some less impressive.

Directors from Serco and Goldman Sachs, companies with horrendous human rights track records – think nuclear weapons, healthcare and food speculation to name but a few. We’re appalled that a church is giving a platform to these people and worse still, marketing them as great leaders and role models. Jesus didn’t lead like this. It doesn’t matter how good you are at communicating – it’s the message that counts.

In light of this, some of us are going to show our displeasure in the form of flyering and conversation. We found out about this today so we’ve had to move fast, but they’re going to print tomorrow and we’ll also have a banner. We’ll chat to punters on their way into the speaker session in the evening.

The main event takes places at the Royal Albert Hall but, due to how many exits there are, we’re going to to go the overflow venue, St Paul’s, their church in Brompton Road.

PLEASE JOIN US

Whether you can be there in person to talk to people and hand out flyers or not, please tweet with us to #LC13

This is what it’s about: http://leadershipconference.htb.org.uk/

 

Coverage of our event on Ekklesia here.

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8 thoughts on “‘Jesus didn’t lead like this’: Act of witness at Holy Trinity Brompton

  1. Roger C on said:

    Can we have some more details please? Which speakers are Goldman Sach & Serco? I tried clicking on the Facebook event and it didn’t work, just took me to a generic FB event screen. Thanks.

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  3. and as for the profits from this conference, I wonder where they have gone… Gone to line the pockets & bank accounts of the few or gone to help those truly in need?

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  4. From what I understand Dave, HTB actually do quite a lot of good amongst “those truly in need” and get a lot of flack from fellow Christians for their pains.

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  5. What ill-informed nonsense. The speaker from Goldman Sachs, Benjamin Grizzle, holds the rank of “Executive Director”. This is not a particularly senior rank – there will be 5,000+ other people at this level in the firm. He is a Christian and a Church Warden. Your implication therefore is that someone who is a mid-ranking employee of Goldman Sachs cannot speak in public, as a Christian, at a Christian event. So, are you saying that Christians up and down the country, who are employees of firms where there is some issue with their ethics/track record (how about…Tesco, BP, Shell, Nestle, the government etc ?) had better stop speaking in public too – this is a preposterous suggestion which displays your complete disconnection from real life? Please make the effort to get your facts straight, before launching questionable public action which simply serves to show disunity in the church. I have rarely read such over simplistic nonsense on a single website!

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  6. I picked this up from Dave’s Partakers link.

    And I can’t support the anti-HTB protest, and here’s why:

    I don’t live anywhere near London.

    The Bible never teaches against riches, though there are a lot of words on the responsible use of money.

    Jesus didn’t speak against money either: Here’s what he said, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Sounds pretty anti riches, doesn’t it? But read on.

    This is how the passage ends, ‘When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”’

    With God all things are possible.

    Even for rich people, which is why I refuse to judge until I have heard what they said. Or seen how they live.

    I have visited Holy Trinity Brompton. The first thing that struck me was that they had car park wardens, and people arriving in Porches, and Mercedes Benzs and BMWs. New ones. For someone low paid from a northern post- industrial town this made me feel uncomfortable. I find a show of riches tacky. Probably because I don’t have any.

    But I considered where HTB was. You can’t expect a church on the edge of Kensington to have a ministry to the working class, the working classes don’t live in Kensington. I couldn’t afford the rent on a shoe box round there, let alone a small apartment. What HTB does very well is minister to those around. Rich people go there.

    Rich people give more than poor people, maybe not proportionally, but they give. And this has made HTB rich. But it is what they do with these riches that is important.

    HTB has been able to take on churches in London which were in danger of closing and rejuvenate them in the HTB style and theology. These churches are not all in such affluent areas as Kensington.

    They have been able to develop the Alpha Course and Marriage Course, both of which have helped people. Even in my northern post-industrial town Alpha works, with only a minimal amount of tweaking.

    Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven. But it is possible, even for a director of Goldman Sachs. I don’t think we should be making it harder for them.

    If we believe the gospel is for all then we should show no partiality on grounds of Gender, or race, or income. This kind of stereotyping has no place in Christianity as I see it.

    I have been guilty of stereotyping in the past. And I am sorry.

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